On the fourth episode of the podcast, the hosts look east – to Ukraine, one of two countries with a 100% qualification record. Taking a look at the national selection – Vidbir – Jazzi, Rory, Rosie and Tim decipher what makes Ukraine so successful in Eurovision, and how Ukraine has managed to capitalise on its divergence from the generic zeitgeist, despite the controversies and consequences.
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